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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the assay

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and i've got dan

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joining me for a breaking news update

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dan how are we doing today i'm great

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thank you it's been an eventful day how

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it has been an eventful day slash

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evening slash

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couple of days depending on when you're

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listening to this or how long you've

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been keeping track yeah we've got a few

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things to talk through for the newest

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pod it's been great because it's only

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five days since the last one uh we are

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going to be touching on chris mellon's

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blog that just came out today some

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interesting points from that we're going

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to be talking on about the world ufo

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congress which actually starts tomorrow

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october the 8th at the in barcelona and

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it's going to be a virtual conference as

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well some some good names listed for

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that one but of course i think there's

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only one place to start and truly as

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breaking news we heard last week on

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disclosure teams channel our colleague

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from uap media and friend vinnie hosted

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andy from

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uap discussion on various different

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that he had a video that was about 40

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minutes long that had been leaked to him

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by an anonymous source from the

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department of homeland security dhs not

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dhl as dan was telling me before we

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that's why my foia requests go a mess

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delivery companies like dpp getting foia

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requests off of dance is getting those

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wrong but yeah dhs department of

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and there was a 40 minute video that was

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a flare video of a uap now listen

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you've got to be honest cards on the

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table it came out now people have seen

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it there's been loads of discussion

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so dan the video eventually was uploaded

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and they're kind of right but it doesn't

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experience of all these trusted

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against that anonymous wall again um

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it kind of leaves me feeling that i wish

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they didn't say anything until the

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analysis uh from the organization that's

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doing that comes out

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video so so done i won't want you know

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to edit that bit out then yeah so what

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which you get as part of being a patreon

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overhype stuff if we're told something

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stuff that if and when people tell you

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if it's not meant to be that because

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pretty stupid as well even with the best

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best willing intention so um yeah there

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and stuff before and and all that jazz

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but yeah so like dan says the seu are

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looking at this analyzing it that still

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ultimately turn out to be

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something anomalous because as we found

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pretty divisive newspaper given some of

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its uh spurious history to be honest but

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it could just be balloons

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now lou tends to pick his words quite

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carefully and again you may fall on the

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supporter or not but

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necessarily anomalous

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appreciate that andy has gone to lengths

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to leak it because someone has given the

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more footage like this could come out

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but that's not to say that the scu

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analysis doesn't show maybe there is

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something to it

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what stands out for you dan as you know

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highlights of the video

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sure so

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for me

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well it's been a bit of a learning day

287
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because when you see these systems you

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know i'm not used to looking at them so

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you have to look at manuals and kind of

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listen to the people who know what

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they're talking about

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um dave falch put up a great

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analysis of the video um and so i'll

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kind of defer to what dave was talking

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about where he highlights that the

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object is uniform cold temperature

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um and quite intensely so apparently

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spray exists to mask that kind of thing

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and to make an object look a uniform

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temperature i'm not sure how accessible

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that would be to because basically this

302
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is

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on the the border between the us and

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mexico um and it was a drug patrol plane

305
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that took the video so

306
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this could be a drug mule drone you know

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a bag full of fentanyl underneath or

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something like that but

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it's strange that it's entirely one

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temperature you'd at least expect the

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the aspect of the object that has an

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engine in to be hotter than the rest of

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the object right

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um so there's that but the interesting

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thing there is um

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jeremy mcgowan pointed out that

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when you set up a flea camera you

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actually give it a

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uh something to search for so you'll set

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that temperature so

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the guys on the border would be looking

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for people crossing the border so they'd

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be tracking for the human body

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temperature yeah

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when cold shows oh sorry when white

326
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shows cold all that means is is that

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that object is colder than the

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temperature it's set at

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so it doesn't necessarily mean that it's

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a cold object it just means that it's

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colder than whatever it's been set at

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which i thought was interesting i didn't

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know that before today yeah and if

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anyone knows otherwise i'm sure that'll

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come out if that's not massively correct

336
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i mean you you can always bank on the

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internet to tell you when yeah it's a

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good tool sometimes yeah i mean right

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now you're listening to us using the

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internet so we are the internet telling

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you

342
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dan's right but um we are the internet

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experiencing itself um but yeah you know

344
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it's uh we have to take that at face

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value that jeremy's correct and if

346
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that's correct then great point from

347
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from gerrymandering to be honest it's

348
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interesting i have to give that plaudits

349
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dan something i asked you earlier today

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i sent you a voice memo didn't i saying

351
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this might be a stupid question however

352
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is how i caveated it we were talking in

353
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the uap media group and you guys were

354
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mentioning that that looked like the

355
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object had traveled anything from 50 or

356
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5 sorry to 20 miles in total

357
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my question to you was why on the

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the face of this you can see the speed

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tends to go anything from 1890 to up to

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200 miles per hour at some point

361
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why is it travelled such a short

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distance then because it looks like to

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the naked eye the object is traveling

364
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from like right to left

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being tracked and moving at a speed so

366
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worst case scenario i do some very

367
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very rough maths in my head and i think

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if it's 40 minutes that's two thirds of

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an hour and let's take the 100 mile an

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hour as an average then that must be

371
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going about that must have traveled 60

372
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70 miles in that time why is it traveled

373
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such a short distance when it's meant to

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be going such

375
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fast speeds and they're not incredible

376
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speeds they're not it's not two thousand

377
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miles an hour it's not ten thousand

378
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miles an hour it's relatively

379
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comfortable speeds for a drone or an

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aircraft why is it traveled such a short

381
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distance

382
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well one one of the strange things about

383
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the object is that it slows down and

384
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speeds up throughout the video so that

385
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speed is going to be changing so though

386
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it may reach you know 200 miles an hour

387
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or 150 miles an hour of whatever's being

388
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cited it doesn't necessarily mean it was

389
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that doing that speed for longer than 20

390
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seconds say um you know they're just

391
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doing essentially what you're doing is

392
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just calculating uh what is a distance

393
00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:31,199
equal speed over time um and

394
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they just have a different map

395
00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,800
essentially for for what it's doing um

396
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looking at the flight path of the plane

397
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:40,800
as well you can see that the plane is

398
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kind of comes back on itself and and

399
00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:46,320
you know it changes direction so

400
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,399
where's the video looks like it's just

401
00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:50,399
along one track that's not necessarily

402
00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:52,079
the case so

403
00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:54,720
it might be that the object

404
00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:55,920
isn't going the way that you

405
00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:57,360
instinctively think it's going in the

406
00:15:00,550 --> 00:14:59,040
video but that'll come out with more

407
00:15:02,550 --> 00:15:00,560
analysis

408
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:02,560
i've seen people online say that it

409
00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:06,480
could be a zip wire for drug mails

410
00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:10,160
do drug mules have zip wires that long

411
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:12,959
on the border now we're talking a multi

412
00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:14,959
multi multi million potential billion

413
00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:17,040
dollar industry here trafficking drugs

414
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over the borders so i'm not saying that

415
00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:20,959
they couldn't but is that likely given

416
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:23,040
what we see in this video

417
00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:23,920
um

418
00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:25,760
i mean i don't know i i've not heard of

419
00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:27,120
that being used before it doesn't mean

420
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:29,519
there isn't i i've been on the highest

421
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,160
and longest zip wire in in wales uh with

422
00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:34,320
a bag of fentanyl no no fans at all

423
00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:36,000
though

424
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:39,440
just me um and

425
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:41,120
it i don't know it it just strikes me

426
00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:43,199
you'd be able to pick that up on some

427
00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:44,800
kind of system you know the metal of the

428
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,320
wire would reflect something like that

429
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:48,399
it would get worn down over time you

430
00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:50,399
you'd pick that kind of thing up i think

431
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:51,920
the the border patrol would see the

432
00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:53,440
safety guy standing on the platform

433
00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:55,199
making sure it was all

434
00:15:59,189 --> 00:15:57,279
done properly and it conformed and yeah

435
00:16:01,110 --> 00:15:59,199
and i mean instructional video it's all

436
00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:01,120
good at being invisible until the border

437
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:03,519
patrol plane flies into it right yeah

438
00:16:08,069 --> 00:16:05,600
exactly yeah that's so for me this is

439
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:08,079
why i think surely doesn't wash with the

440
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:09,600
the length of time and distance i would

441
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,320
get a very short zip wire but surely not

442
00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:14,079
something traveling that that kind of

443
00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:16,160
length either um anything else for you

444
00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:18,000
again you'd want to kind of vary up your

445
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:19,759
path if you were bringing drugs over the

446
00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:21,360
border too you wouldn't kind of use the

447
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:24,399
same thing repeatedly exactly yeah um so

448
00:16:27,749 --> 00:16:25,759
yeah it just drives me as a good way of

449
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:27,759
getting caught doing that yeah and

450
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:29,279
anything else for you dan on the video

451
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:32,800
that stands out before we move on

452
00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:36,000
not especially i feel like we've covered

453
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,480
everything i'd recommend you know people

454
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:40,800
always ask for a chain of custody um if

455
00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:43,279
you do have a video like this don't just

456
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:46,720
splurge it on social media um you know

457
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:48,079
talk to

458
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:50,240
some some of the reputable people in in

459
00:16:53,269 --> 00:16:51,920
the community and they'll kind of set

460
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:53,279
you right and help help get you the

461
00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:57,120
right contacts and the analysis done um

462
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:58,160
and

463
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,839
don't don't tell people it's amazing in

464
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:01,920
hd before they've seen it because you

465
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:03,600
know big hype big let down every single

466
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:04,799
time

467
00:17:09,909 --> 00:17:07,520
yeah that's it so um again thank you to

468
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:09,919
andy and uh it's appreciated getting

469
00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:11,760
this out and for me and i'm sure for

470
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:13,839
yourself then we are looking forward to

471
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:15,439
the the next step which would be that

472
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:18,480
analysis but i think absolutely we can

473
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,120
enjoy talking about this stuff and and

474
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:22,959
looking at it taking it for what it's

475
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:25,280
worth and again i think we're lucky to

476
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:27,120
live in a time where we get stuff like

477
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:27,919
this

478
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,640
uh coming out so it's it's another

479
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:33,039
source isn't it because jeremy carbell

480
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:34,720
rightly or wrongly was getting slated

481
00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:37,120
for some of his releases and hyping and

482
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:39,360
i suppose it was nice to see

483
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:42,000
slightly left field someone out of the

484
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:43,440
blue you know

485
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:45,520
i've got a video here it is and yeah you

486
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,799
know what at the end of the day they

487
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:48,720
seem to have come through with a genuine

488
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,120
video from the dhs so

489
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:53,039
yeah that's true that's fair play

490
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:55,120
i take it down you still right now do

491
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:56,880
you lean on the side of

492
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:57,840
nothing

493
00:18:01,590 --> 00:17:59,600
anomalous for you

494
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:01,600
i'm i'm happy letting the unknown plate

495
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:04,640
spin for a bit um like you say wait for

496
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:07,120
the seu analysis i don't really know

497
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:08,880
what i'm looking at and anyone that

498
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,960
tells you they do is

499
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:12,720
just ignore them

500
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,799
ignore everything i've said for the past

501
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,280
quarter of an hour the the unknown uh

502
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,120
plate the spinning plate down but who's

503
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:21,919
spinning the plate that's the question

504
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:23,280
who is the plate

505
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,919
yeah who has the plate so um yeah again

506
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,600
thank you again today falch for very

507
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,760
quickly breaking that down as well and

508
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:31,360
we will put dave's

509
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:33,200
link for his youtube in the description

510
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:35,280
for you to check that out too

511
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:37,600
um we've talked how last month in san

512
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:39,760
marino there was bid conference that is

513
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hoping or hopefully going to be yearly

514
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as well

515
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:45,760
just in 24 hours as we record this not

516
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:49,520
even that tomorrow october 8th 2021 uh

517
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:52,880
till october 10th at the hotel novotel

518
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:55,440
in barcelona there are three days of

519
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:58,000
science and spirituality an opening to

520
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:00,400
consciousness and a unique event it is a

521
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,520
world ufo congress going on in barcelona

522
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,360
dan is it just me or to this one can i

523
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:07,200
sneak up on people

524
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,320
um

525
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:10,400
yeah i mean these things tend to have a

526
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:13,520
habit of doing that i'm i'm

527
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:15,919
living in the rainy uk right now i'd i'd

528
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,799
like to go to the ufo conference

529
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,480
in barcelona that is

530
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,320
yeah it'll be nice out there and some of

531
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,960
the names attending uh avi loeb uh

532
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,880
jacques vallee paola harris they'll be

533
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,799
discussing the trinity event i'm sure

534
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,880
members of isar gary hesseltones out

535
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:32,720
there and there will be other names as

536
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:35,120
well not necessarily that i am familiar

537
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:36,160
with but

538
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:38,799
it seems to be quite a mix of names i

539
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:41,919
suppose for me what gets interesting is

540
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:44,080
there's a lot of people at this event

541
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:45,360
where

542
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,799
i i don't want i don't want to

543
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,480
pigeonhole the whole loving light stuff

544
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:50,160
but there's a lot of people who are into

545
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:51,679
that

546
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,000
side of it this really spiritual side of

547
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,400
of things and you know entities and

548
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,559
consciousness are these are these the

549
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,080
real living like people or the ones that

550
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,640
get angry when you say things about them

551
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:04,480
i believe these are the the ironically

552
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:08,870
and that's that's their bag which is

553
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:11,039
more power to them but you've also then

554
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:11,840
got

555
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:14,159
a really serious scientist like avi love

556
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:15,760
involved you've got jacques vallee

557
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:18,559
involved as well you've got people

558
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,840
representing icer they are too so it's

559
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:24,000
it's quite a mix isn't it than what you

560
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,520
would maybe normally get at some of

561
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:27,840
these events and is that

562
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,840
for me it's a positive sign that of the

563
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,120
spin and how

564
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:33,360
the

565
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:39,039
that a good thing for you yeah yeah

566
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:41,280
absolutely um you know the fact that avi

567
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:43,840
loeb is there and can mix with valet and

568
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:46,080
paula harris and the members of isa you

569
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:47,120
know the

570
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,799
the presentations might not be people's

571
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,960
bags but the people present in the same

572
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,720
location and the conversations they'll

573
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,799
have behind closed doors could amount to

574
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,799
some really cool things

575
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,559
absolutely and again you never know who

576
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,880
else is there that isn't necessarily

577
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,559
named especially when they're being held

578
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:04,720
in europe i think this is a real

579
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:07,679
positive that if you've got people like

580
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,480
paolo gazadi who is one of the head guys

581
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,640
heading up project titan you've got the

582
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,480
potential for you know tim mcmillan's i

583
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,320
don't know if he's attending but people

584
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,120
who are based far more locally to

585
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,440
to europe than they are to the us

586
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,679
can get together and talk at these

587
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:26,000
events you can get your loyalists

588
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:27,440
heading i don't think he's at this one

589
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,919
particularly i know he's not but you can

590
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,000
get people like that attending events

591
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,640
and meeting new faces new people new

592
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,720
politicians new officials

593
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,080
that

594
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,520
they can meet in a safe place and have

595
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,440
these discussions and you don't know

596
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,120
what comes of it so it's no longer

597
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,360
necessarily just an event you know you

598
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,960
can attend the event again we'll put the

599
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,039
link in the description and it's a

600
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,799
virtual event as well so by a lot of

601
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,400
good talks available you can buy them

602
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:54,000
separately nothing we're affiliated with

603
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:55,200
it's just you know

604
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,400
these things are getting back up and

605
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,480
running which is great but

606
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,720
it's what could come of these now

607
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:02,880
because there's a different set of eyes

608
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,000
on them there's a different interest and

609
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,840
like what we're seeing with the

610
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:09,440
interview i've just done with cut dry

611
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:10,640
mongol which we'll talk about in a

612
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,360
little bit um there are different years

613
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,760
and eyes now focusing on the subject and

614
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,600
events like this could take on a whole

615
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,919
different meaning so it's it's exciting

616
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,760
um i'm i'm looking forward to see if

617
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,120
anything comes of this because we

618
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,600
expected nothing really from san marino

619
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:26,880
and look what happened off the back of

620
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,840
that yeah absolutely we're in um

621
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,919
explosive times with this subject you

622
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,840
know things that feel like small steps

623
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:35,679
in the community actually when viewed in

624
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:38,080
hindsight that this is kind of we're on

625
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,120
a mountain

626
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:41,280
yeah and we said before i think if you

627
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,760
can just take a step back these things

628
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,159
don't happen overnight when you look at

629
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:47,919
the the recent bills going through the

630
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,960
the senate for approval and the uap task

631
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,880
force stuff it wasn't a case of within a

632
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:54,640
few weeks these conversations were had

633
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,679
and boom

634
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,280
overnight it was it was in the halls of

635
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,280
government these things happened six

636
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,440
months before and nine months before and

637
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,080
in meetings at someone's house or

638
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,000
you know via an email sent to someone

639
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,240
through a third-party contact and they

640
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,679
grow from there so this is another

641
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,200
chance for that kind of stuff to to grow

642
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,360
and blossom especially for those who

643
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,600
really feel that this should be an

644
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,600
international effort that's that's what

645
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,679
excites me and hopefully we get to see

646
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,000
one of these held in the uk eventually

647
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,240
as well if not then we'll just have to

648
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,159
try and put one on ourselves eh

649
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,640
yeah absolutely yeah if if all these

650
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,000
people would like to come over for free

651
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,320
dan and i will make coffee i'll i'll get

652
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,640
the starbucks bought for people but i'll

653
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,400
get the biscuits yeah i would love to

654
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,600
see a series serious events like this

655
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,679
or even more serious shall i say just

656
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:43,840
for my own personal tastes being held in

657
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:46,400
the uk with the right names attached as

658
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:50,000
well and you're as well with five or six

659
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,000
proper serious names as opposed to

660
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,120
60 or 70 that just go for quantity over

661
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,960
quality for for what you're looking to

662
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,320
achieve but that's not to say you can't

663
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:02,400
cover a wide range of subjects because

664
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,679
there are people who have their

665
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,760
interests and in various different

666
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,480
aspects of the of the subject as well so

667
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,360
yep that's the uh the world ufo congress

668
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,039
starting uh tomorrow october 8th till

669
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,960
october 10th in barcelona the links

670
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:16,960
again are in the description

671
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,080
uh similarly uh on october 19th i

672
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,159
believe uh you can check again the links

673
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,720
for this robert salas has been

674
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,039
doing a crowdfunding effort to have

675
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:28,799
another event at the press club dan

676
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,520
hasn't he to do with the phenomenon the

677
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,840
uaps and also nuclear weapons what are

678
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:36,000
your thoughts on this

679
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,520
well immediately

680
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,000
you know people always think or say when

681
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,320
this stuff happens um how is it

682
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,559
different to last time and you kind of

683
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:46,159
just touched on that we're in a very

684
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,600
different environment now and i think

685
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,520
if robert was to you know successfully

686
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,120
put on this event i think he'd have a

687
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,960
lot more attendance from mainstream

688
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,600
journalists who want to know the history

689
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,240
that he's so concisely put together you

690
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,000
know from the mouths of the people that

691
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,720
happened it it happened to and it's one

692
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:06,240
of those events that you know what you

693
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:07,520
were getting out there kind of saying

694
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:08,480
that

695
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,679
the future of

696
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,679
uh ufology

697
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,600
conferences could actually become a

698
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:15,840
really serious meeting of the mind's

699
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,880
endeavor going forward um this is kind

700
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,120
of the tone that i think you were you

701
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,440
were nudging toward right

702
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,360
yeah so again if you look at the the

703
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,799
article itself which was released

704
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:28,559
through the national press club

705
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,919
it is a news conference uap and nuclear

706
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,240
weapons witness testimonies it's a panel

707
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,640
of former u.s air force officers

708
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,720
discussing their involvement with uap

709
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:40,960
incidents at nuclear missile bases and

710
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,960
test sites during the cold war era so we

711
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,520
are talking real high ranking people

712
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,760
mostly if not all exclusively no longer

713
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,320
with the military who have had

714
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,400
experiences of you know nuclear missiles

715
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:57,919
being being messed about with by uap

716
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,159
pretty intense subject very interesting

717
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,039
very sensitive and it starts at 9am on

718
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,919
tuesday october 19th um

719
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:08,159
i don't know if that's 9am pacific time

720
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,840
eastern time i've not got that

721
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:11,360
information but you can check it out on

722
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:14,960
the the press.org website as well um

723
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,960
there will be media and attendance but

724
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,039
they all are there via invite only so

725
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,440
it's credentialed media specified guests

726
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,400
and congressional staff i'm just gonna

727
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,640
jump in there with a recommendation for

728
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,240
a documentary people watch that's kind

729
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,200
of to do with this but kind of not um

730
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,520
it's about uh it's called the man who

731
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:35,440
saved the world about a gentleman called

732
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,120
stannislav petrov and he he basically

733
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:40,960
was one of the guys

734
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:44,080
at the launch button when a false launch

735
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:45,039
was

736
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,080
happening

737
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:48,000
and he he doesn't say that his event

738
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:49,520
involved the uap

739
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,559
it really doesn't matter but watching

740
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,400
that documentary and watching him

741
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,400
recount those seconds and what was going

742
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,919
through his mind what could happen if

743
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,240
that missile launched it really drives

744
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:02,559
home the importance of that connection

745
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,000
and the importance of why we have to

746
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,600
look at this

747
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,279
yeah and you've got some people here

748
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,640
that are willing to have that

749
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,320
conversation again with a military

750
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,840
background which many people do

751
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,279
appreciate and like

752
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,760
and i'm coming out and openly discussing

753
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,240
this subject so this will be one worth

754
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,760
looking at folks again if you check that

755
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,760
out the link is in the description um

756
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,679
good job done by robert salas with his

757
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,440
crowdfunding well done to all those who

758
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,600
donated as well and we'll see what comes

759
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:28,880
with this in a couple of weeks and dan

760
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,919
and i will report back on it as well

761
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:34,159
dan final bit of news for the week

762
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,679
before we mention a few different things

763
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:37,919
ourselves chris mellon released a new

764
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,120
blog today should congress create an osd

765
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,159
office for uap issues now what i thought

766
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,840
was really interesting reading this blog

767
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,159
from from christopher mellon was we've

768
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,240
been really happy and excited about the

769
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:52,080
potential going for looking at these

770
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,840
bills that we've talked about several

771
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,679
times now dan that they're going to

772
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,559
create a permanent uap office

773
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,480
chris mellon i mean some may look at it

774
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,360
almost negatively but makes a very valid

775
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,760
point that we shouldn't necessarily see

776
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:08,000
that as a win because we really should

777
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,880
be

778
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,720
wanting more from this

779
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,720
and that is more in a sense of if it's

780
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,799
going to be a permanent office like the

781
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,440
ubp task force was that's two people

782
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,279
sitting in a room with no time to do

783
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,440
anything and he made the point if it was

784
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,840
again two people in a room that was the

785
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,000
staff their whole day would be taken up

786
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,159
with meetings and chasing people up and

787
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,760
they would have no time to do the actual

788
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,840
work required to be done and chris

789
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,760
mellon himself has said this needs to be

790
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,360
an office that is

791
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,080
made a part of an already existing

792
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,399
organization within the us government

793
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,039
that it's got a big budget big resources

794
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,600
big staff and is taken seriously what

795
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,760
what were your thoughts on this

796
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,760
it was well firstly it's always nice to

797
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,760
hear from christopher mellon he's one of

798
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,440
these people who speaks very little and

799
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,640
when he speaks you you listen right

800
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:58,000
did i tell you chris is coming on the

801
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,520
podcast soon

802
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,600
are you going to make my head blow up no

803
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,679
i i really want to say that

804
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,520
one day and i will but that's that is

805
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:07,440
that is my christmas wish list that you

806
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,559
you would have just had a minute of

807
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,320
silence when my drone was dropped open

808
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,760
unless you watch on youtube it would

809
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,840
just sound like an error just in the off

810
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,679
chance someone nudges us chris far

811
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,480
melon's way i among with every other

812
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,440
youtuber or podcaster or whoever would

813
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,600
love to speak to chris melon and yeah i

814
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,520
would i would do a 40m interview for 10

815
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,279
minutes of chris's time so yeah that's

816
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,080
that's the high regard i hold them in

817
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,080
it that that kind of speaks to the point

818
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:34,080
i'm going to make actually when i read

819
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,120
that

820
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,960
blog post i thought to myself who is

821
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:38,240
this for

822
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,919
no i don't think so

823
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:44,080
i don't think this is a coincidence that

824
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,990
not long after those bills have

825
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,360
progressed

826
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,279
you know on their way to becoming law i

827
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,039
think what we're seeing is essentially

828
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,799
chris arguing the points of what should

829
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,039
be included in such a bill for the

830
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,880
people who are currently deciding that

831
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,039
behind closed doors i think that's what

832
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:05,279
this is and and

833
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,799
i was happy to hear him say

834
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,000
basically

835
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,600
the problem has been all the information

836
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,600
has been siloed we need to not do that

837
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,200
again if we create the organization

838
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,799
inside one of those silos it's going to

839
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,720
have limited information it needs to be

840
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,640
one of the head of the hydra you know it

841
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,880
can't be one of the feats so to speak

842
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,159
yeah it was it was some really good

843
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,840
points again like i said previously

844
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,039
we'll put the the links in the

845
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,279
description as well chris mellon posted

846
00:30:32,909 --> 00:30:31,200
it on his various social media accounts

847
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:32,919
too you can check out on

848
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,520
christophermellon.net but it's a very

849
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,120
valid point that you should almost you

850
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,440
know accept your accept your win but you

851
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,039
have to keep moving forward with us and

852
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,039
if you just accept that we've got an

853
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,120
office potentially being set up

854
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,279
brilliant no we've got an office being

855
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:49,919
set up but we need to make sure as best

856
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,720
we can or those who have the the ability

857
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,880
and the power to do so it's the best it

858
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,279
can be and if that can be 20 people

859
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,600
instead of two amazing but if it can

860
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,120
only be three or four people instead of

861
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,600
two that's twice the staff that's what

862
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,279
we need to be looking at and like chris

863
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,720
mellon said and he knows where he's

864
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,120
coming from um you know he's someone who

865
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,279
has a massive involvement at least in

866
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,200
the past with the intelligence community

867
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,440
he knows what this needs to be and i'm

868
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,120
sure has his colleagues like louis

869
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:19,279
elizondo and others would absolutely

870
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,760
echo those statements as well so yeah

871
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,519
really good post people should check out

872
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,600
that from from chris melon and i think

873
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,159
you're you're spot on done that uh

874
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,960
i'll i'll do it down and say absolutely

875
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,039
you're correct that the

876
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,799
this hasn't aimed at us

877
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,799
this is put out there for us to see but

878
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,120
chris is talking to some specific people

879
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,279
when you see stuff like this so yep fair

880
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:43,360
play and thank you to to chris melon for

881
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:44,320
that

882
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,399
things though to mention folks uh the

883
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,320
interview with cut joy mungo is

884
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,200
available now it is live on patreon.com

885
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,840
forward slash that ufo podcast or if you

886
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,679
sign up on apple premium you can still

887
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,360
get a two week free trial just click the

888
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,519
button and you'll be able to listen at

889
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,760
early access and ad free to myself and

890
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,000
cut chair mungo then you were the first

891
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,600
person to listen to it

892
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,120
i hadn't even listened to it i don't

893
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,279
listen back to my interviews uh you

894
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,679
enjoyed it i thoroughly enjoyed it it

895
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,919
was a very very refreshing interview

896
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,600
um

897
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,120
more people like are going to be coming

898
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,640
into this subject

899
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,159
in the future

900
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,799
so it's great to start hearing what they

901
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,399
think about this

902
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,159
i was going to say community but subject

903
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,519
at large not really the community um

904
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,279
self-reflection is good for all of us

905
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,120
kind of carrying this message and trying

906
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,679
to help people find the right stuff um

907
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,360
amongst the

908
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:41,679
muddy water

909
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,360
and listen i'll be honest for me uh it's

910
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:47,039
i'll thank kurt because it was a

911
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,880
different type of interview for me and

912
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:50,399
it's one that will definitely help and

913
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,200
improve my skills interviewing people

914
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,039
people ask i don't have a background in

915
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:56,799
interviewing i haven't done this before

916
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,600
i started the podcast um i'm just nosy

917
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,000
and like asking questions and

918
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,679
you listening to this seem to enjoy that

919
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,080
so thanks and so again speaking to cart

920
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,159
was a different experience for me he's a

921
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,840
different mind he's a very different

922
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:12,000
thinker to what i'm used to and it

923
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,760
definitely made for an interesting

924
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,080
conversation so i appreciated his time

925
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,159
and check out his theories of everything

926
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,080
youtube channel you know right at the

927
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,519
start of the interview dan i called it

928
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,519
the theory of everything and i could see

929
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,200
in his face he was like ah you got it

930
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,799
wrong but i mean that's the ultimate

931
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:29,600
goal right just but i will say dan he

932
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,640
called it the uf ufo podcast that year

933
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,640
that's with ross so

934
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,000
i will just say to car if you're

935
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,399
listening we are even um

936
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,159
even though it wasn't deliberate but

937
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,080
yeah i i really enjoyed it and i look

938
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:43,679
forward to speaking to kurt again in the

939
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,679
future as he continues his journey and

940
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,000
exploration of of this topic and subject

941
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,840
and in a couple of weeks time curt has

942
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,159
louis ondo back on for lou's longest

943
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,240
ever interview so that'll be an

944
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,760
interesting one as well am i right in

945
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,000
thinking that's two and a half hours

946
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,000
yeah two and a half hours so that'll be

947
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,240
that'd be a good one i should have lou

948
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,080
back on in the next couple of weeks for

949
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,320
his second part of his listener question

950
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,079
show so very much looking forward to

951
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,839
that one at the last one was a massive

952
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,599
success and people really seemed to take

953
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,320
a lot from it um which which was great

954
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,720
um you can also going forward folks on

955
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,359
patreon.com if you sign up on the five

956
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,599
dollar tier or above you will now get

957
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,839
early access to upcoming interviews on

958
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:25,760
youtube as well previously those have

959
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:28,800
dropped on the night of the free audio

960
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:31,839
releases but with the popularity and the

961
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,399
the ask for it then myself and dan are

962
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,919
striving to get those out as quickly as

963
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:38,000
possible as well so you'll now get early

964
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,440
access through a link we send you on

965
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,800
patreon.com or you can sign up through

966
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,119
youtube directly as a youtube member for

967
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,359
the exact same benefit um as you would

968
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,240
get on patreon with the video access

969
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,720
uh and finally this saturday myself and

970
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,560
graham rendell will be at the ufo

971
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,040
minicon and preston i'm looking forward

972
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:58,880
to this i i am just too stressed just

973
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,040
attending as someone turning up with a

974
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:03,280
ticket i am not a part of the conference

975
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,880
um it's i just helped ash promote it as

976
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,800
part of you know um the early days of

977
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,800
him announcing it graham is even now

978
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,560
stepping in to do a presentation due to

979
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,480
a last-minute guest cancellation and

980
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,880
i've got to say i am

981
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,720
buzzing to see that graham will be now

982
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,119
presenting at this because

983
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,440
i think graham is uh

984
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,920
absolutely underutilized untapped in

985
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,280
this subject

986
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,520
and uh i very much look forward to that

987
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,280
grimes coming on the podcast next week

988
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,800
for an interview

989
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,640
and i look forward to that speaking

990
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,119
about the foo fighters of world war ii

991
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,720
and i think people who have bought a

992
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,400
ticket for that event i believe it's

993
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,400
almost sold out if not sold out now so

994
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,839
check online if you are thinking about

995
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,440
going they might still be able to

996
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,960
squeeze you in you'll be able to meet

997
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,720
myself and graham there as well say

998
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,320
hello to everyone

999
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,000
like where kanye and kim kardashian you

1000
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,400
know actually they're divorced now

1001
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,320
i am just graham chauffeur for the event

1002
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,760
um we'll be there and be good to see

1003
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,599
folks and just meet people in person

1004
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,839
especially since the first time i

1005
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,480
started the podcast being able to meet

1006
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,720
people who are listening to the podcast

1007
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,640
they'll be pretty cool yeah that's true

1008
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:11,520
because you started in lockdown

1009
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,720
yeah yeah may 2020 was the first episode

1010
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,119
so wow very much looking forward to that

1011
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,440
opportunity that it has flown by yeah

1012
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,280
and lots more to come from the podcast

1013
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:23,200
as well uh just a heads up folks

1014
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,320
something you're going to see dropping

1015
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,640
over the next couple of weeks

1016
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,720
recently you have seen lots of talk

1017
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,680
online from various experiencers people

1018
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,599
having a frustration that their stories

1019
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,599
aren't being heard out there in the

1020
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:37,839
world of ufology and in the mainstream

1021
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,920
particularly and it's caused a lot of

1022
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,240
conversation back and forward as to how

1023
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,079
and when the experience are part of this

1024
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,640
phenomena should come into the the you

1025
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,599
know the story or into the narrative

1026
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,320
now i am going to be speaking to a few

1027
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,400
different experiencers allowing them to

1028
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,320
share their story i'm going to try and

1029
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,240
make it less an interview with them and

1030
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,160
allow them just the time to share their

1031
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,160
story on the podcast and i'm going to be

1032
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,720
releasing the the interviewers are

1033
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,560
sharing separately so it's not going to

1034
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,119
be a table or loads of people talking at

1035
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,200
once or like a call-in format it's going

1036
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,880
to be separate shows with people sharing

1037
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,800
their story if that's how it's going to

1038
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,400
work out so i look forward to that it's

1039
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,720
something different for myself and i do

1040
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,480
um really look forward to giving these

1041
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,880
people a platform to share their stories

1042
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,720
which absolutely deserve to be held

1043
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,680
because

1044
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,920
there are such a wide range of emotions

1045
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,680
and experiences that these people go

1046
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,480
through

1047
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,560
um it's not just having a sighting i'm

1048
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,520
not an experiencer i've seen some ufos

1049
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,440
i've seen some things i can't explain or

1050
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,800
at least i can explain but i don't know

1051
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,720
what they are i'm not an experiencer

1052
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:42,880
though these are people with true

1053
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,520
sometimes regular experiences throughout

1054
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:47,359
their whole lives and i look forward to

1055
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,720
speaking with them and giving them the

1056
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,400
platform to share their story

1057
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,640
um i i won't spoil any of their stories

1058
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,280
but i'd just like to add that the

1059
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:56,800
stories when you hear them from

1060
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,480
experiences are often much odder than

1061
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,320
what is out there in the kind of

1062
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,359
mainstream ufology you know it's not all

1063
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,599
reptilians and mantises and greys there

1064
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,680
are some much much more out there

1065
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,440
stories

1066
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,520
and dan that's all for us then so thank

1067
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:15,680
you very much dan for joining me

1068
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,640
thank you as always it's been fun it has

1069
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,920
and folks if i don't see you this

1070
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,480
saturday and preston at the ufo minicon

1071
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,320
look forward to hearing your feedback on

1072
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,480
the cut dry mungle interview which will

1073
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:28,800
be coming up on the free feeds this

1074
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,520
monday the 11th of october but remember

1075
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,040
if you want to support myself and dan

1076
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,960
support the podcast you can get early

1077
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,680
access ad free over at patreon and apple

1078
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,599
once again folks thanks for listening

1079
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,160
see you soon that is all for this week's

1080
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,400
show thank you very much for listening

1081
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,240
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1082
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,800
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1083
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1084
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1086
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:59,040
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1087
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1089
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:07,920
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1090
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,760
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1091
00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:13,440
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1092
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:15,790
what you might see

1093
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:42,140
is

1094
00:40:17,190 --> 00:39:58,860
[Music]

1095
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:18,550
they thought this was noise they thought

1096
00:41:13,430 --> 00:40:41,380
[Music]

1097
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:15,520
what's that is

1098
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,440
[Music]

1099
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:23,359
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1100
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:43,990
[Music]

1101
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:46,040
that's

1102
00:42:01,230 --> 00:41:58,230
[Music]

1103
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:01,240
so